Saturday, August 05, 2006

Who, exactly, is offering the White House advice?

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow held a quick gaggle with reporters in Crawford yesterday, when an interesting subject came up.

Q: Tony, earlier this year the President brought in some advisors to talk about the war in Iraq, some outsiders — outside experts. Is he doing anything similar, or are any senior officials doing anything similar with respect to the Middle East? Are you bringing in any outside experts or –

Snow: Yes.

Q: — perhaps Jewish or Christian or Muslim –

Snow: There have been meetings of that sort in recent days.

Q: What can you tell us about them?

Snow: You know what, I'll see what I'm cleared to tell you about.

Asked what "types of people" have offered the White House advice on the Middle East, Snow said, "Again, at this point, I really don't want to do it." Asked if "religious leaders" have been part of these meetings, Snow said, "Again, I'm just not going to go any further."

Why all the secrecy? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that White House recently invited a Christian apocalyptic fiction writer to chat about biblical prophecy.

The Washington Post's Dan Froomkin spoke with Joel C. Rosenberg — who recently told CNN that the rapture may be near and it'd be a good idea for people to start taking care of unfinished business — who explained that he was invited last year to "speak to a 'couple dozen' White House aides in the Old Executive Office Building — and has stayed in touch with several of them since.

Analysis- The scary thing about the end of the world scenario above is that it is the leaders of the free world that are buying into this interpretation. Could the ding dongs in the White House be trying to go down in history as the courageous leader that brought about the end of the world ....I mean the second coming?


Blogger HD said...

I wouldn't be surprized. The irony is, that in a practical sense, Christian belief is an ensorsement of life (not the opposite), and so seeking an end to life is, well, anti-Christian. We are not supposed to encourage the end of our existence. We are suppose to embrace life. So, it is my belief people who deliberately set out to cause the end of human civilization will realize the folly of their beliefs when they find the Pearly Gates closed to them.

You can bet that the world is in for a serious and ugly ride if the U.S. doesn't back away from the current conflict between Isreal and Lebanon. No one, that is no one in possession of their faculties, can blame Israel for trying to stamp out the Hezbollah. Isn't it just convenient that the devastation in Israel by daily missile strikes isn't getting the press that Lebanon is getting. The rest of the world nees to stay out of it and let Isareal finish wiping out the Hezbollah.

1:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Pope called again for an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon on Sunday, and complained that no one had paid any attention to the identical call he had made the previous Sunday.

Pope Benedict didn't realize that the US Right, including Fox Cable News, is only interested in the Catholic Church to the extent that they can use it for reactionary purposes. Start talking about peace, and you'll find yourself in a news blackout even if you are a pope. What puzzles me is why he doesn't send in the Catholic Lobby.

Courtesy of Informed Comment

3:01 PM  
Blogger P said...

Good CNN article.

11:29 PM  
Blogger Lucy Stern said...

I don't think that anyone wants to end our civilization. It may be stated in the scriptures as to what will happen in the middle east, but know one knows for sure when that will happen.

7:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then why are so many nut jobs buying into it?

For some evangelicals, Mideast war stirs hope

Believing the Mideast conflict is a sign that Christ will return soon, some evangelical groups have cheered Israel's military actions.

Some have ratcheted up support for Israel in its current battle in Lebanon with Hezbollah out of belief that a raging war -- perhaps even a nuclear confrontation -- marks a prelude to the apocalypse. Christian groups are sending millions of dollars to Israeli communities and shelters, hosting pro-Israel rallies and urging U.S. politicians to back Israeli military action.

Evangelicals' financial support for Israel has increasingly been supplemented by political action, Christian and Jewish leaders say.

At a July 18-19 pro-Israel rally in Washington, Christians from Florida and other states lobbied politicians to back Israel's military campaign in Lebanon. The Rev. John Hagee, pastor of a mega-church in San Antonio and founder of Christians United for Israel, organized the convention in hopes of launching a pro-Israel political network in 50 states.

While a number of Jewish leaders have courted evangelicals' support for the Jewish homeland, others are troubled by its theological underpinnings, said Rabbi James Rudin, senior interreligious advisor at the America Jewish Committee in New York. Jewish leaders have long been wary of evangelicals' effort to convert Jews to Christianity through messianic groups such as Jews for Jesus and the Chosen People Ministries.

''Is the motivation to stand up for Israel, or convert the Jewish people and bring on the end of days? said Rabbi Solomon Schiff, executive vice president of the Rabbinical Association of Greater Miami.

Crazy crazy people.

8:03 PM  
Blogger DBC said...

Of course Bush over ruled her. She wants to stop Armageddon what the hell is wrong with her?

"For the last 18 months, Condi was given nearly carte blanche in setting foreign policy guidelines," a senior government source familiar with the issue said. "All of a sudden, the president has a different opinion and he wants the last word."

The disagreement between Mr. Bush and Ms. Rice is over the ramifications of U.S. support for Israel's continued offensive against Lebanon. The sources said Mr. Bush believes that Israel's failure to defeat Hezbollah would encourage Iranian adventurism in neighboring Iraq. Ms. Rice has argued that the United States would be isolated both in the Middle East and Europe at a time when the administration seeks to build a consensus against Iran's nuclear weapons program.

Ms. Rice's biggest supporter has been Brent Scowcroft, who served under the first Bush administration as national security advisor. Sources said Mr. Scowcroft, regarded as Ms. Rice's mentor, has been sending messages to his friends in Congress and the White House that U.S. support for the Israeli war could jeopardize relations with Gulf oil suppliers, particularly Saudi Arabia.

"A comprehensive peace settlement would not only defang the radicals in Lebanon and Palestine, and their supporters in other countries, it would also reduce the influence of Iran -- the country that, under its current ideology, poses the greatest potential threat to stability in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt and Jordan," Mr. Scowcroft wrote in a column in the Washington Post on July 30.

The sources said Mr. Bush's position has been supported by Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and to a lesser extent National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley. They have urged the president to hold off international pressure and give Israel more time to cause strategic damage to Hezbollah as well as Iranian and Syrian interests in Lebanon.

"I think if you think of what's happening in Lebanon and Israel right now, you see the face of the beginning of the 21st century," Mr. Rumsfeld said in a radio interview on Aug. 2.

Yes take a look at the face of the twenty first century in the mid east. We are creators?


8:18 PM  
Blogger PB said...

Wow--and I thought I had enough on my plate already, now I have to add all the debauchery and mayhem I would love to practice before the second coming. Damn I sure am feeling mighty behind! Where the hell is my beer? Can someone get me that Gin & Tonic I requested? Where are the exotic dancers? Can anyone hook me up? I could use a ride to the local girly bar! Can anyone give me a lift? Oh, and be sure to stop on the way and pick me up some NoDoze, Redbull, Cigars, a 20 ounce T-bone, some Slim Jims, an Apple Pie with vanilla ice cream, and don't forget the Hershey Syrup. Actaully make that two bottles of Hershey Syrup; one for the ice cream and one for the girly I bring home from the bar.
Try to swing by the K-mart (I don't do Wal-Mart) and get me some ammo, I've lots of shootin' to do. Hell, if they got any good deals on shotguns, I could always use dbl. pump 12 gauge, my single action takes to long to re-load. Crap, I just paid to smog and re-register my truck. Do any of you work at the DMV? Maybe you could yank my check and send it back to me, before they get the chance to cash it. Anybody got the phone number for the Sacramento Harley shop? I could use a new Raod Glide--I can just put it on my card, no worries. oops,almost forgot, football season is here and I am gonna need that 52' flat panel HDTV. Anybody going to be near a Best Buy? Give this short timer a hand would ya and pick me up one, you can just put it on my tab; I'm good for it! Grab me a new cell phone while your there, I need to call and cancel all my insurance policies. Those scam artisits are not getting another cent out of me! In fact they are going owe me some money as soon as the world ends. I am pretty sure my life ins. policies cover death and dismemberment--which ever comes first. HD--Today will be my last day at work. Could you let the boss know I will be calling in for the rest of the entire earthly calendar days? I suspect he will understand, and if not, just flip him the bird for me. Thanks, Pal. Oh and see you in hell! :)

10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look ob the bright side. After the rapture the rich believers will leave a whole lot of stuff behind. I can't wait, free stuff for the the rest of us.

11:20 AM  
Blogger PB said...

Anon--your right! I love free stuff.

1:20 PM  
Blogger Fool 4 You, Baby said...

Hey P - good to see you on Arden way Wednesday morning!

5:23 PM  
Blogger P said...

Yo yo! Wassup F4YB. Yeah, that was funny! :D

6:27 PM  
Blogger HD said...

PB, I lost the map to hell, might take a few eternity's to get there. I think I prefer a slightly elevated place (I hear pearly gates are in season) to reside after I'm done with the old carcus. All thoses flames and smoke don't suit me.

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