Monday, July 31, 2006

Look around, What do you see?

Raise readiness, Assad tells Syrian Army

Iraqi VP accuses Israel of 'massacres'
"These horrible massacres carried out by
the Israeli aggression, incites in us the spirit of brotherhood and solidarity," he said in a speech attended by Iraq's president, the prime minister and other top government officials.

The comments were harsher than the criticism leveled by Iraq's president and the deputy prime minister on Sunday. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, another Shiite, had also condemned Israel's offensive before traveling to Washington last week, provoking criticism from U.S. lawmakers

On Sunday, Iraq's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, demanded an immediate cease-fire in Lebanon, warning that "Islamic nations will not forgive the entities that hinder a cease-fire," al-Sistani said, in a clear reference to the United States.

The latest remarks by Abdul-Mahdi and Sistani are likely to heighten Iraqi public anger against the United States and create political problems for the Iraqi government, which depends on the Americans for its security and survival.

VIDEO - Ad: 'For Zion's Sake, I Will Not Keep Silent'

Israel: No cease-fire in coming days

Analysis-Look around and ask yourself if things are setting up for a wider war or is the U.S. doing what it can to make peace. The U.S. has the power (or maybe had) to bring all sides in. But Bush takes another route let Israel do what ever it wants apologizing along the way. Oops.

There is still hope.
Top Republican asks Bush to push for immediate Lebanon ceasefire.
Hagel said the US link to Israel was a "special and historic one."
"But, it need not and cannot be at the expense of our Arab and Muslim relationships," he said.
Sen. Hagel is correct on this and Iraq. Pat Buchanan is correct.
This is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue it is a "what is in the best interest of America" issue. Israel is a friend and ally and always will be however Israels interest and Americas interests are not always the same so Bush and the rest of Washington better stop acting like they are.

Right now the law of unintended consequences (yet predictable) is making the impossible happen. Sunni and Shi'ite are being united by Israels continued attacks and growing civilian casualties. The civil war in Iraq is between Sunni and Shia. Hezaballah are Shia as is Iran, the Arab countries that initially came out against Hezbollah where Sunni but they now like all the other Muslims are starting to come around in favor of Hezbollah. Sunni and Shia have always been split, will this do what nothing else has for over a thousand years.

Where will it end?


Blogger P said...

Why bring them to the table? Let Israel finish it. The terrorists seek out innocent people to kill, Israel hits innocent people on accident while looking for terrorists. Shit happens in war. Too many pussies in this world who think appeasement works, like Britain and France when they were dealing with Hitler early on. I hope Syria and Iran jump in, and we jump in on Israel's side and make an example of them.

10:40 PM  
Blogger Prodigal Son said...

P, the fact that you didn't exactly step up to the plate doesn't exactly inhibit you from tossing around the p-word does it. So get your blood lust on. Stoke it with a little ethol alcohol and a video war game. You were never near a war zone either as a civilian or a uniformed combatant.

Go ahead and trade in cut and paste segments of history that support your world view. Leave out the part about pre-1949 Zionist terrorist organizations such as the Stern Gang and it's offshoots. Leave out the part about the King George Hotel getting blown up. Leave out the assinations. Go ahead and leave out the parts of history in which leaders of those Zionist terrorist organizations became legit and went on to be PM's of Israel. After all Hollywood did a sanitized version of your take on things. It was called Exodus.

Go ahead and palm yourself off as some sort of military and history maestro. Mock the peacemakers.

Meanwhile you and your earstwhile warmongering brethern are becoming more and more eschewed by the rest of the world...

They know the Guns of August...

4:01 AM  
Blogger Russ said...

P-Do you think Iraq has gone well?
Widening the war would make Iraq look like a day in the park.

Remember Hezbollah was created because Israel was occupying Lebanon in the 1980s (18 years worth) yet you think more war and occupation will destroy them. Not logical at all.

7:34 AM  
Blogger Prodigal Son said...

Way back when we had foreign occupiers on our land, we had our own revered terrorist, ummmm, guerrilla band. They were led by the Swamp Fox. He is a hero of our war of liberation from foreign rule. There was even a two year TV series based on his terrorist, ummm, guerrilla band of irregulars.

Why did he and his terrorists, ummm, guerrilla organization choose to fight the occupying force in such a way?

Well, here is a quick primer that gives a little insight into such things.

Terrorism is AOK as long as it is our terrorist, ummm, guerrilla, ummm, patriot organization...

The thing of it is, we have been spared the indignity of having foreign occupiers for awhile. And so in our smugness, we can't relate to those dastardly cowards who won't stand up and fight by centuries old rules of war...

We conveniently forget our history because there was a time when we were not exactly the established order...We are now and so the terminology changes to suit our purposes...

7:37 AM  
Blogger LNaranjoiv said...


P??? If you haven't noticed, this supposedly 'religious free zone ' is full of shit. Roseville Conservative blog site, appears to be more of a liberal site than anything else. LOLOL...too funny.

Oh yea, let's blame the Israeli's for the deaths of others during war. What's the catch word now?? Oh, right....collateral damage.
Yup, PS has it quickly we forget about OUR messes we helped start. Ah-huh...riiiiiiiiiight...

In the meantime, let's review history. Peacemakers who got results. Well, there's Neville Chamberlain.....ummmmmm.....someone near the time of Ancient Rome.....Oh, I don't know....all the peacemakers after WW1 sat down too....and the Japanese before WW1. That was ripe. Sure gave those pesky Russian's some dialogue too, huh?!

Yup, peacemakers...there's a place for them, and it's AFTER the pieces are picked up. Not during.
You want peace there, remove the terrorists. All those vermin have to do is cease fire.

Of course, they can't do that....they're Arab. Much more valuable to show the world, dead arab children....makes for GREAT PR!!!!!!

Amazing, Arabs who use their kids as tools. Unreal. And this idiot here sides with them. Or is afraid OF them.

BTW?? Iraq has gone better than you'd like to claim it isn't. Given, how history COULD have made it out to be.

We now return you back to your liberal anti-US anything rants....with the religious spin you place on it.

9:11 AM  
Blogger Prodigal Son said...

Ah, wankery is alive and well. Actually a little more lucid than the wanked out tirade a few days ago.

Yup,, Give Peace a Bash...

10:17 AM  
Blogger Russ said...

Ha tow the line or you must be a hater. That's getting old.

LNBTW?? Iraq has gone better than you'd like to claim it isn't. Given, how history COULD have made it out to be.

Truly a deep comment, "it COULD have been even worse." HA COULD have been but not by much.

10:44 AM  
Blogger Russ said...

LN if being able to see the long term consequences of our actions is liberal them I am guilty but I will note apologize for my faith or the fact that religion shows up here so if you don't like it don't read it.

10:53 AM  
Blogger LNaranjoiv said...

No slagg, you got it wrong...
Obviously, being a dork and/or an idiot suits you.

COULD HAVE been worse.....WW2.
Should be a clue, no???
Lost on the mental midgets.

Oh, you're a lib, I've no doubt.
Besides many other things.

As to your faith?? Pfffffftttttttt.....what faith?
Oh, you DO have relgion show up here, tho it was YOUR sorry self that stated, it wasn't a religious blog site.
Oooooo what, it was too much to avoid??

I'll show up and read any damn well thing I wish to, with or without your permission.

11:26 AM  
Blogger Russ said...

LN- better than you'd like to claim it isn't

I wonder how I missed it.

There's an opening fire away.

12:20 PM  
Blogger Prodigal Son said...

LN, the Administration should send a limo by to pick you up. You've just come up with the most marvelous spin.

Iraq has gone better than you'd like to claim it isn't. Given, how history COULD have made it out to be.

That deserves a Pentagon office with a window. And you could pick out your title. GFY Cheney and you could sit in your office and sip Diet Cokes and wax wise about the good ole days when men were men. You could tell him a little about small unit tactics and his eyes would hood and chin lower... ... and after he comes out of his reverie, he says...

"I hear that there are some wild turkeys back where you come from"...

And you shift and look away. And say to yourself, "Oh, shit, why did I get into that limo back on that hot August day? ...." Cuz you know what is coming next...

12:27 PM  
Blogger HD said...

P... While we all know the United States would not sit back and take missle strikes from an enemy on our home turf without a direct, proportional (if not more severe)retalliation; your suggesting that somehow an all out war that brought Iran and other middle east countries into the mix would be winnable is short sighted; it no doubt would bring about WWW3.

8:45 PM  
Blogger Prodigal Son said...

Russ, I put this here simply to get your attention. It can be turned into a stand alone post.

Neoconservatism and evangelical Christianity: "Divorce" of a perfect couple?

LN would say that he was never married to them. Nor was there any shacking up. Not even any one night stands... Pffffffftttttt....(walks away muttering something about putting a flag over their face)

4:22 AM  
Blogger Russ said...

PS thanks for the link. No time now if you would like to do a post on it I will post it.

10:23 AM  
Blogger Lucy Stern said...

This reminds me of two children who hate each other. They constantly throw jabs at each other. Outside individuals try to tell them to make peace, when neither child has any intention of making peace. Sometimes you just have to fight it out. These nations have been snipping at each other for centries, it's not going to stop. The longer they put it off the more their hatred festers. I have a feeling that it is time for them to duke it out....I don't like fighting but, at this point, I don't see any other way.

10:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lucy it is to bad there's no parent left. The U.S. and it's leaders were once powerful enough to do something now it's ahhh what ever let them fight.

12:37 PM  
Blogger P said...

Sorry PS, I've seen more violence in this lifetime than you will in five thus I feel absolutely free to say what I will. Cease-fire's in the ME won't work with terror organizations, or countries like Iran. The only way to deal with them is with violence. And it may seem I am a warmonger, but the fact is, I look at situations past and present and determine whether peace is possible through diplomacy. In terms of some in the ME, it will never work, they have to be made an example of. Nukes worked in WWII, and they can work again in the current situation.

5:05 PM  
Blogger P said...

Russ. I think a wider war which toppled Iran and Syria is the best way. They are the protagonists and the anti-Semites who are nothing more than Islamist Nazi's. I would nuke Iran's nuclear facilities and waste their military infrastructure with an aerial campaign. No need to go in on the ground.

5:08 PM  
Blogger P said...

Sorry PS, but, equating America's colonial revolutionaries to Islamist terrorists is so far off base it's not even funny. I can't believe you would even make the statement. Islamist terrorists think they will get 77 virgins when they martyr themselves and kill innocent people. They believe all non-Islamists (infidels) should be killed. They want to set up a world-wide Islamist empire conformed to their beliefs. In short, they're plain insane. Nothing like our revolutionaries.

5:13 PM  
Blogger P said...

HD, sorry. I don't believe that a wider conflict would be "unwinnable." The protagonists of all ME violence and unrest should be reckoned with. Those are Iran and Syria. Taking out Iran's nuke facilities HAS to be a top priority. If they get nukes, I don't believe they would hesitate to use them on Israel even though they know they would incur heavy losses when Israel and the U.S. struck back. They would see it as a victory for Islam if they took out a few Israeli cities. If you want all the crap in the ME to end, we have to strike those who want to commit genocide on Israel, and, they should be made an example of. Even if that means using nuclear weapons on their cities. Then other Islamo-fascist countries will sit up and take notice and quake in fear like they should be.

5:20 PM  
Blogger Russ said...

P- Then other Islamo-fascist countries will sit up and take notice and quake in fear like they should be.

Funny stuff. If nukes are used on Iran you can almost count on the Islamic fanatics to take over countries that seem to be moderate now.

That means Pakistan(where the Taliban originated)and their nukes would be in the hands of terrorist with allegiance to AL Qaeda and the Taliban, and those nukes would definitely be used in that case. Musharraf is hanging by a thread and many extremists were voted into office, we insisted on election there to and as in the Palestinian territory (Hamas) and in Lebanon (Hezbollah) they were voted in by the people.

If you think you can kill them all then maybe it will work. Since that is impossible the idea is simplistic at best. Since the U.S. has been running foreign policy from the book "The Idiots Guide To Foreign policy" you may get your wish just remember there were those that saw the problems that would be created by such a move.

Your cure would be worse than the disease.

6:07 PM  
Blogger Stalin the Shark said...

Ahem. How exactly does it serve the U.S. national interest to get involved in Lebanon, to nuke Iran - as P insists we do all the time, confusing a civilian life with actual warfare - or to let Israel proceed as it is doing?

Part of the problem with wingers is that they can't move beyond tirades into rational calculations of desirable outcomes. Kinda like, well, in Iraq. Rs these days seem incapable of anything more than tactics - Fallujah - and bluster. I'm going to have to post about this.

:-), StS

6:34 PM  
Blogger Prodigal Son said...

The problem with wingers is that they get into backassward reasoning. They start out with the conclusion that rings their chimes. Then they cherry pick the, ummm (cough), evidence to support their desired conclusion. Virtually any position can be supported that way. Just do a little cut and paste. Just do a little lifting out of context. Just do a little false analogy. And voila, presto shazzam...They have the world all figured out. And if you don't think so, they will tell you, loudly and with a lot of jumping up and down...

Fortunately, the last time I looked, the US Constitution is still intact. Which means there will be a general election across the US in November. Then John Q will get to register what he thinks about backassward reasoning...and slipshod ethics...

7:05 PM  
Blogger P said...

Jimmy Carter 2008! There's a Dem who knows how to deal with Iran. Apparently Dem/peacemongers have adopted his philosophies on how to quell violence the middle east. Worked good the first time! Let's do it again! Woohoo! :D

8:25 PM  
Blogger Prodigal Son said...

As the Gipper would say, P, "there you go again"

How about telling us how the Gipper got those hostages released on the day of his inauguration.

Can you spell treason?

And that set the paradigm for more hostage taking in the '80s and getting them released.

Yup, Jimmy Carter be a wimpy loser and the Gipper be da Man...

P, you got any spare nukes to sell to Iran? Prolly get those two Israeli soldiers released.

6:13 AM  
Blogger Russ said...

As I said P may get his wish.

US supplying Israel with NSA signals intelligence
The neoconservatives are described as enthusiastic about the possibility of using NSA intelligence as a lever to widen the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah and Israel and Hamas into a four-front war.

7:40 AM  
Blogger Stalin the Shark said...

Seriously, why do we care about either Hamas or Hezbollah? That's an Israeli problem, plain and simple. What, are we going to send troops to Chechnya, Kashmir and Sinkiang next?

:-), StS

7:53 AM  
Blogger Russ said...

STS you are asking the right question "What is the U.S interest in widening the war?"

Oil, regional domination or the fact that war is a huge business?
A. All of the above.

Off topic humor
Bush Grants Self Permission To Grant More Power To Self

10:20 AM  
Blogger PB said...

P--I don't know you from Adam, but me thinks you are a bit wet behind the ears AND me thinks you will be getting your chance to pony up. Air campaigns will not solve the issue without troop support. Unfortunately that will not solve the issue either. Good luck to you!

I bet a guy a case of beer back in 2002, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, that if we ended up in Iraq, the blood letting would not end there. I bet that there would be door to door, street to street combat and that 30 to 50 thousand would die. Little did I know there would be soooooo many more!

I better get after him for my beer; he owes me. Just like him, you will be paying the price of a foolish gamble taken by our NOT SO FEARLESS leader.

12:47 PM  
Blogger HD said...

P...the use of nuclear amrs would only lead to strikes here in the U.S. No one really knows if Iran, Korea, etc. has a missle that will reach the U.S., but we do know that terrorist cells exist in this and other pro-western countries, and it is very likely there are already what has been referred to as "dirty bombs (nuclear weapons in briefcases" here.

Use of nuclear weapons should not be an option, and will only lead to a world war, with the environment destroyed for all living things. I can easily see that Israel is justified in going after the Hezbolah, and essentially declarying war on them. The U.S. would not sit back while missles were lobbed on us, and do nothing. I do agree civilians are an unfortunate bi-product of war. I just don't agree that we should envoke a war with Iran. I want nothing to do with their 72 virgins, and am in no hurry to walk on clouds. Lets not encourage lunatics on...okay!

2:41 PM  
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