Iran a War I can Support
Then the White House Stands By Iran Weapons Claim.
It may be time to give Gen. Pace his walking papers like Gen Shinseki got when he tried to say we would need hundreds of thousands of troops to secure Iraq.
Newsweek: Hidden war with Iran; Will it 'blowup?'
The cover story of the latest Newsweek explores the "hidden war with Iran," asking will it "blowup?"
"The longstanding war of words between Washington and Tehran is edging toward something more dangerous," states a Newsweek press release sent to RAW STORY. "A second Navy carrier group is steaming toward the Persian Gulf, and Newsweek has learned that a third carrier will likely follow."
The press release adds, "Iran shot off a few missiles in those same tense waters last week, in a highly publicized test. On the chaotic battleground of Iraq, a hidden war between the United States and Iran is already unfolding. But, ironically, the history of the Bush administration's dealings with Iran also offers a surprising degree of hope. A special investigation by a team of Newsweek reporters, led by Senior Editor Michael HirHirsh Washington and Correspondent MazMaziarhBahari Tehran, has uncovered periods of marked cooperation and even tentative steps toward possible reconciliation in recent years far more than is commonly realized."
"At least one former White House official contends that some Bush advisers secretly want an excuse to attack Iran," Michael HirHirshd MazMaziarhBahariport for Newsweek.
The article continues, "'They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for,'" says Hillary Mann, the administration's former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs U.S. officials insist they have no intention of provoking or otherwise starting a war with Iran, and they were also quick to deny any link to ShaSharafi'sdnapping. But the fact remains that the longstanding war of words between Washington and Tehran is edging toward something more dangerous. A second Navy carrier group is steaming toward the Persian Gulf, and NEWSWEEK has learned that a third carrier will likely follow. Iran shot off a few missiles in those same tense waters last week, in a highly publicized test. With Americans and Iranians jousting on the chaotic battleground of Iraq, the chances of a small incident's spiraling into a crisis are higher than they've been in years.
Excerpts from article:
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It would be another war that nudged the two countries together again. At the beginning of 2003, as the Pentagon readied for battle against Iraq, the Americans wanted TehTehran'slp in case a flood of refugees headed for the border, or if U.S. pilots were downed inside Iran. After U.S. tanks thundered into Baghdad, those worries eased. "We had the strong hand at that point," recalls Colin Powell, who was secretary of State at the time. If anything, though, America's lightning campaign made the Iranians even more eager to deal. Low-level meetings between the two sides had continued even after the Axis of Evil speech. At one of them that spring, ZarZarifised the question of the MujMujahedinKhaKhalqEK), a rabidly anti-Iranian militant group based in Iraq. Iran had detained a number of senior QaeQaedaeratives after 9/11. ZarZarifoated the possibility of "reciprocity"—your terrorists for ours.
The idea was brought up at a mid-May meeting between Bush and his chief advisers in the wood-paneled Situation Room in the White House basement. Riding high, Bush seemed to like the idea of a swap, says a participant who asked to remain anonymous because the meeting was classified. Some in the room argued that designating the militants as terrorists had been a mistake, others that they might prove useful against Iran someday. Powell opposed the handover for a different reason: he worried that the captives might be tortured. The vice president, silent through most of the meeting as was his wont, muttered something about "preserving all our options." (Cheney declined to comment.) The MEKMEK'satus remains unresolved.
Around this time what struck some in the U.S. government as an even more dramatic offer arrived in Washington—a faxed two-page proposal for comprehensive bilateral talks. To the NSCNSC'snn, among others, the Iranians seemed willing to discuss, at least, cracking down on HizHizbullahd HamHamasr turning them into peaceful political organizations) and "full transparency" on Iran's nuclear program. In return, the Iranian "aims" in the document called for a "halt in U.S. hostile behavior and rectification of the status of Iran in the U.S. and abolishing sanctions," as well as pursuit of the MEK.
posted by Russ at 1:39 PM
17 Comments:
You are right of course no one can replace the sarge yet It is all true.
Well well well, I leave for six months and come to this.
We can't even beat a bunch of ragtags, and you want us to take on an entire elite army?
Putin (Russia) and China, and bin Laden are playing the Bush administration for the bunch of ass backwards chumps they are.
Why does Putin sell and foster nuclear capabilities in Iran? Hint we don't want Iran Nuclear. Pays him in two ways: 1) war in the middle east tightens oil capacities and raises oil prices and makes Putin and Russia very rich since they have been busy consolidating their oil capabilities. Who you gonna call for oil when things get tight in the middle east? hehehe. Looks like ole Putin is gettin' some Afghanistan payback. Yea, we sure put the screws to the Ruskies there didn't we. Paybacks a bitch.
2)Our military, our economy, and our national dept spiral out of control and reel from the effects.
China--sits back and laughs as we squander our resources and they CONTINUE to build the mightiest Navy in the world, not to mention an economy that owns our nation.
So go ahead and worry about Iran--that is just what the "communists" want you to worry about.
oooh almost forgot bin-Laden! Well he gets exactly what he wanted. He bankrupts the US and breaks the back of the military by leading us into over-stretching our forces and outspend or children's piggybanks.
PB
PB why do you hate America?
If you cant support our troops and leaders then move to the middle east and see how much you like it.
Anon--I love America, and that is why I point out exactly what ails it and who ails it. You see, I am a TRUE PATRIOT. One willing to take the time to do the research, and expose our weaknesses to those too lazy to do so.
ANON--I hope someday you will stop hiding cowardly behind the "America love it or leave it" goose-step mentality and start to be a true patriot. Yoou would have been one of King Georges lackies, or another good German following Hitler's mantra for motherland; yes motherland, Hitler preffered that to fatherland.
As for the "Middle East" as you call it. I am all for leveling Saudi Arabia, as that is where 17? of the 19 high-jackers were from. I also would agree to level Afghanistan as well, even though we are the ones that armed bin-Laden to begin with. That sure bit us in the ass!
Anyway when you want to become, what it means to be an American Patriot, let me know, as I can help you with your reading and research.
PB
PB your blame America will not fly with me.
The we are responsible for Bin Laden is bull as is calling me a non patriot unlike you. right? Please.
Anon--are you saying we did not create bin-Laden/al-Qaeda the monster? We gave that guy all the weapons, money and intel he needed to bleed the Soviet Army and the Soviet Union into destruction.
Are you actually so naive as to believe (like ole George Bush did)that Putin is a nice guy and he only wants to see whats good for America? No you twit, he is laughing his ass off while al-qaeda/bin-Laden bleed us slowly of life and $$ While old mother Russia gets stronger and stronger.
You see I am true patriot because I know enough to understand some of the workings of geo-politics. I think I undestand enough to know what harms and what helps this Nation be mighty. You do not. you just follow blindly behind a handful of hacks who have bungled two wars to the point of disaster, lessened our status as a world leader, and ran the national debt to new highs.
Go wave your flag and let me know if it helps your family sleep better at night knowing those running the show are loosing the "war on terror."
PB
typical lib. Name calling and all.
You blame America for Bin Laden then blame true supporters of this country (patriots) of not knowing enough. I know all about the rise of terrorism and it is not America's fault. You sir are an extremist just like the people on both sides that that do nothing while pointing the finger at each other.
I hope my flag waving does not bother you to much but if it does tough. Go burn one some where else.
Anon--perhaps you would like to share all you know about the "rise of terrorism."
Perhaps you could offer some solutions yourself. I have made several attempts here to point out alternative solutions to the issues our country faces, and you have made none.
I would gladly not name-call, but you did nothing but name-call in each of your lackluster responses.
perhaps you could tell me just how you consider yourself a patriot? What do you do to qualify as a patriot? I have given you several examples of what qualifies me as an American patriot. you none. all you have done is what every other lemming in this country does, label and "believe." I am glad that the founders of this nation did not think as you do.
oooh--better get back to your radio station, me thinks Rush is talking again. BTW--he has been really wrong lately hasnt he. Seems hes not all that bright after all.
PB
PB I do not have to explain on this site why I am a patriot. I am every bit the patriot you are.
Quickly terrorism got its rise with the muslim brotherhood in the 50s if you want more history lessons look it up.
Rush?
Well Anon--I fail to see your direct connection between the Muslim Brotherhood invited to this country in the 50's and the terrorists, or the Iranian people of today. Perhaps you could explain it to me.
PB
The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda
What do you do when you want to go public with a story like this one? You call up “60 Minutes.” We had a great time. Mike Wallace gave me 30 minutes on his show. For a long time, it was the longest segment that "60 Minutes" ever did. When the episode about Nazis in America went on the air back in 1982, it caused a minor national uproar. Congress demanded hearings, Mike Wallace got the Emmy award, and my family got the death threats. It was a great trip.
Then a funny thing happened. Over the last 25 years, every retired spy in the U.S. and Canada and England all wanted me to be their lawyer, for free of course. So I had 500 clients, they paid me $1 apiece. So I am the worst paid lawyer in America, but among the better employed.
Let me give you an example. This year a friend of mine from the CIA, named Bob Baer wrote a very good book about Saudi Arabia and terrorism, it's called Sleeping with the Devil. I read the book and I got about a third of the way through and I stopped. Bob was writing how when he worked for the CIA how bad the files were.
He said, for example, the files for the Muslim Brotherhood were almost nothing. There were just a few newspaper clippings. I called Bob up and said, “Bob, that's wrong. The CIA has enormous files on the Muslim Brotherhood, volumes of them. I know because I read them a quarter of a century ago.” He said, “What do you mean?”
Here's how you can find all of the missing secrets about the Muslim Brotherhood -- and you can do this, too. I said, “Bob, go to your computer and type in two words into the search part. Type the word “Banna,” B-a-n-n-a. He said, “Yeah.” Type in “Nazi.” Bob typed the two words in, and out came 30 to 40 articles from around the world. He read them and called me back and said, “Oh my gosh, what have we done?”
What I'm doing today is doing what I'm doing now: I'm educating a new generation in the CIA that the Muslim Brotherhood was a fascist organization that was hired by Western intelligence that evolved over time into what we today know as al-Qaeda.
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One of the Brotherhood's beefs with the Egyptian government was its support of the Soviet Union, which may have won the attention of the young Central Intelligence Agency. Rumors have swirled for years that the CIA may have supported the Brotherhood during the 1950s and 1960s. The allegations of an alliance have been widely reported, but not irrefutably documented. If true, the CIA has a lot to answer for.
After being ejected from Egypt, the Brotherhood and thousands of Wahabbi adherents fled to Saudi Arabia, where they were offered asylum. Wahabbism was already the Saudi state religion, but the Brotherhood is credited with politicizing the sect. Brotherhood members infiltrated the mosques, schools and social institutions of the kingdom through the 1960s, and by the 1970s, an even more radicalized version of Wahabbism dominated the Saudi government.
While retaining its power base in Egypt despite the ban, the Brotherhood now took hold in several key Arab states, including Syria and the Sudan. ...
The public face of the Muslim Brotherhood today is still based in Egypt, where the organization continues to live and work despite being banned by the government. The Egyptian Brotherhood officially renounced violence in the 1970s. But the organization is believed to be structured to conceal its militant and jihad aspects. Most observers speculate, with some justification, that the Brotherhood still calls the shots for the militant "splinters" like Islamic Jihad and Hamas.
The future likely holds a continued drive toward outward respectability for the Brotherhood's visible components. The clearest example of the problem can been seen in Egypt, the birthplace of the organization.
The 2005 elections in Egypt highlighted a major problem with the U.S. commitment to democratize the Middle East: When given the opportunity, voters tend to like Islamic fundamentalists. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarek, a secular ally of the U.S., unleashed the dogs on voters during the winter 2005 parliamentary elections.
PB
The info is everywhere
NavySEALs.com
How much do you really want to know?
Tell The Children the Truth
And Again
Anon--I don't disagree that we should be active in Saudi Arabia, and I do not disagree that Al Qaeda are a central concern to our Nation's security, but leveling Iran under falsehoods or "inaccuracies" in intel., or the "lump em all together mentality" is not the solution. It only adds to the problem. It creates hatred that breeds militancy. And if you think we did not arm and foster Al-Qaeda to beat down the Russians in Afghanistan, then there is a serious lapse in your intel.
I will read more about the topic of the brotherhood, rest assured, as I am here to find truth. Please feel free to forward any other titles you know of.
PB
Anon--none of your links are operable. Also, are you the one who wrote the article or is that one long quote?
BTW--I still fail to see the DIRECT connection between the brotherhood and Iran.
PB
I did not write the article.
Just showing how many places the info is.
Navy Seals
Try this from the article. It may not show as much as when the article was written though.
Here's how you can find all of the missing secrets about the Muslim Brotherhood -- and you can do this, too. I said, “Bob, go to your computer and type in two words into the search part. Type the word “Banna,” B-a-n-n-a. He said, “Yeah.” Type in “Nazi.” Bob typed the two words in, and out came 30 to 40 articles from around the world. He read them and called me back and said, “Oh my gosh, what have we done?”
There should be no war , what so ever. War is no solution anywhere in the world.Get out of it as soon as possible.
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Pretty amazing to read this old post and see how times have changed so much! Iran...Irag...Afghanistan...when will this all end.
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